Catholics Sure Do Have Selective Memories

How else can you explain their complaining about Obama giving a commencement speech at Notre Dame? The whole point of contention is Obama’s “pro-abortion” stance. This has lead to the following billboard being put up in South Bend.

notre dame billboard

The truth is, if there was even a hint of consistent behavior from these people, I might be inclined to understand and support their grievance. But, of course, this is little more than political hogwash. 

Where was the outrage when Dubya gave his commencement in 2001 at Notre Dame? You know, the same Dubya that has different views from the Catholic Church on small items such as nuke-u-lar proliferation, labor, the environment, the death penalty, etc. Where was the mock outrage at that event? 

Of course, there was none. Why? Because the core Catholic Church has turned into little more than a shill for the Republican Party. This is why you see moderate Catholics fleeing the Church in droves. They simply can’t take it any more. 

Even the Vatican couldn’t come out with a comment on the Obama speech scandal because the premise is so ridiculous. And this is where they fail their flock. Instead of sitting silently by to avoid incurring the wrath of the lunatic fringe, they should be speaking out boldly about this subject. But they won’t. They never do. 

There was a time, in my lifetime, when the Catholic Church was admired and the Vatican had true power in the United States. Those days are over as politics and religion have become so inbred that there is simply no separating the two. The core tenants of the Church are so diluted, or antiquated, that there is little left to hold onto. I suppose that is why these splinter groups within the Church feverishly cling to particular beliefs. 

How about instead of ignoring Barry at Notre Dame, you listen to him? And then you engage him in a conversation that is in the best interests of mankind. For instance, how about supporting single mothers and adoption? (Something that the last 5 Republican and Democratic regimes have done absolutely nothing about). 

Or, continue to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore the world around you. Yeah, that seems to be working really well for you. Good luck with that.        


44 Responses to Catholics Sure Do Have Selective Memories

  1. yorksnbeans says:

    There’s no tolerance anymore for those who have opposing views on anything. It’s a shame that instead of holding a healthy debate and listening to another point of view, these days most people will either tune you out or call you names.

  2. art vandelay says:

    Excellent point yorksnbeans. Last time I checked this was America and we were allowed to have free speech. Perfect example is Miss California–where was the ACLU defending HER–is she not entitled to have an opinion???

  3. want to have lunch?

    there is an ad in the train. it goes a lil something like this “abortion alternatives. free sonograms.” how exactly is that an alternative? plan b is an alternative. a fall down the stairs is an alternative. but a sonogram? f**king Christians.

  4. Damn, Tannerleah. You go from fake boobs to serious in three seconds flat. And you post too much, I can’t keep up and I get all confused…is it because there are too many breast implants at Notre Dame? Or too many Catholics? Who’s protesting again?

    To hell with it. I’m going off to get drunk and get a naked tattoo of the virgin Mary.

  5. Bart says:

    Prejean is entitled to her opinion alright and she was able to freely express it. The ACLU has already protected and defended Carrie Prejean’s right to speak through its staunch championing of the First Amendment. However, the First Amendment only prevents the GOVERNMENT from infringing on free speech by individuals. It doesn’t protect individuals from the general public’s disdain for their personal opinions. Anyway, Prejean doesn’t need the ACLU. She has good ole’ boys like O’Reilly and Limbaugh to protect her.

  6. elizabeth3hersh says:

    Sorry, Art, but Jesus PERSONIFIES the ACLU (they work in tandem). I’ll go out on a limb here and state that Jesus actually laid the foundation for the ACLU. He was a liberal and advocated rights, freedoms, due process (Torah as Constitution) and equal protection. No?

  7. art vandelay says:

    Nope, disagree.

  8. Era says:

    Can’t we all just get along?

  9. elizabeth3hersh says:

    Yup, Jesus would have even defended Hitler (emach she’mo). That’s what makes him so freakin’ cool!

  10. art vandelay says:

    Ya think?

  11. I remember a day when the Catholic church wasn’t so quick to throw their considerable weight around and intervene in every aspect of their devotees’ lives.

    No. Actually, I don’t. That was a daytrip. And there are a lot of things I remember from that day that didn’t actually happen. Like the long speech Elmer Fudd gave me on “wewigious fweedom and personal wesponsibiwity.”

    I was irritated at the time because it was intefering with my attempt to trace road maps with a Sharpie. I was also trying to gather a lighter, cigarettes and an ashtray into a safe and non-flammable area, which was much more difficult than I previously recalled.

    Skip forward and I remember a day when I stopped giving a shit what any organized religion thought about anything, because rather than deal with real problems like the economy or baseless wars or corrupt unions, they would rather condemn gays or single mothers or the prostitutes purchased with union dues.

    I think the point that Elmer was trying to make was that while it is ok to exercise faith in a higher power, it’s particulary foolhardy to follow the guidelines of the self-appointed spokesmen, who are, and I’ll quote here: “pwone to gweed, self-intwest and abuse of power.”

  12. elizabeth3hersh says:

    Masterful analysis Capitalist.

  13. elizabeth3hersh says:

    Bart, I wholeheartedly side with the ACLU referencing the link you submitted. More Americans would find the ACLU palatable if they knew about the range of cases they take on and tirelessly advocate. Thanks for the link and for opening our collective eyes to the other side of the ACLU. It is the incendiary cases we mostly hear about. Thanks for the balanced perspective.

    • tannerleah says:

      Why is the ACLU involved in this case? If a company spends billions of dollars on proprietary research, why should they not reap the rewards? Stop being such a socialist.

  14. elizabeth3hersh says:


  15. elizabeth3hersh says:

    TL, you didn’t like the analogy offered?

    …Ravicher offered an analogy to describe the plaintiffs’ argument, saying, “It’s like saying if someone removes your eyeball … just because you remove the eyeball and wash it off, that doesn’t make the eyeball patentable.

    “Now if they create another eyeball out of plastic or metal, then you can patent that.”

    “It’s like trying to patent the moon,” he said. “You didn’t do anything to create it, just discovered something that already existed. You can’t patent things that are publicly available, that anyone can find. You have to create something, make something, do something with the thing.”

    Wow, can Myriad patent my green eyes?

    • tannerleah says:

      Why not? At some point, the Supreme Court will decide how far this can go. I just don’t see why the ACLU is caught up in this particular fight. Nothing else to do?

  16. Bart says:

    I think using the First Amendment as a basis to invalidate a gene patent is novel, but probably unlikely to succeed.

    Liz is correct that Myriad didn’t create any of the differences found in the genes. Myriad merely identified the specific gene differences. By virtue of their patent, the identification of all differences, including those that are found in the future by someone else to correlate with an increased risk of cancer, are covered under the patent.

    That, along with the fees Myriad charges to allow others to conduct research on these genes, definitely hinders further research by others and limits society’s chances of finding a cure for cancer.

    • tannerleah says:

      Everything you say is true. Yet Myriad has no moral compass it needs to follow. It is in the business of making money. The courts will decide whether they can get away with it. Generally, a competitor stands in the way of such “progress”. I am still curious as to why it is the ACLU’s fight.

  17. art vandelay says:

    I suppose you all think ACORN is a righteous organization as well?

  18. Bart says:

    Art – Are you sure you’re not a white, male? Perhaps you are having flashbacks from a prior life when only white men were deemed qualified to vote or own property.

    There are organizations out there that can deprogram you from the brainwashing. . . .

  19. elizabeth3hersh says:

    …now if TL could patent the genes to Sarah Palin…

  20. Bart says:

    Hey Liz. Is your avatar really you or Cheryl Ladd?

  21. art vandelay says:

    What I thought

  22. elizabeth3hersh says:

    That’s me (13 years ago), but I’m still spunky.

  23. Bart says:

    Nice! Brains and beauty all wrapped up together.

  24. art vandelay says:

    She does look like Cheryl Ladd now that you mention preeeeety! Hey did you see it’s Barry vs. ACLU over the torture pix?

  25. Bart says:

    Hey Art. I guess Liz is one of “TL’s Angels”. Yes, I did see the ACLU/Barry case. You should be happy about that one. :o)

  26. Bart says:

    Art. Here’s an interesting article you may like:

    • elizabeth3hersh says:

      Looks like Professor Erhman engaged in some critical thinking…one of my pet causes. Great article.

  27. art vandelay says:

    Thanks? for the article Bart.
    Unfortunately for the athiests he can’t entirely disprove the resurrection or anything else in the bible. I do not pick and choose what I believe in the bible–I believe it in it’s entirety.

  28. art vandelay says:

    BTW, Barry did the right thing regarding the torture pix

  29. Bart says:

    I think he did the right thing too! See, the democrats aren’t ALL bad.

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